The RCMP emblem on the side of a police cruiser. Photo: APTN News file
A private Facebook group used by police officers across Canada shows shocking messages in support of Gerald Stanley’s acquittal.
The most offensive comments, which are sure to further inflame the racism debate accompanying the outcome of last week’s trial, were posted by an officer APTN News has been told is a serving member of the RCMP on the Prairies.
“This should never have been allowed to be about race…crimes were committed and a jury found the man not guilty in protecting his home and family,” the post said of the second-degree murder trial into the death of Colten Boushie in Saskatchewan.
“Too bad the kid died but he got what he deserved.”
Two sources shared screenshots of the post with APTN and disclosed the officer’s identity.
APTN is not naming the officer or detachment at this time. However, the officer claims to police a First Nations’ community.
“How many of us work on or near reserves and are getting fed up with the race card being used every time someone gets caught breaking the law?” continued the post.
“The CC (Criminal Code) is there to protect the criminals and there’s a growing wave of hard working people who are sick of being victims of crime without real justice.”
Boushie, 22, was with three others from the Red Pheasant First Nation in Saskatchewan when he was shot in the head inside a vehicle after driving onto Stanley’s farm near Biggar.
Stanley, a white farmer, claimed the shooting was an accident and an all-white jury refused to convict.
The verdict shocked Boushie’s family, his community and thousands of Canadians who’ve taken to the streets to call for changes to make the justice system more inclusive.
“I was shocked to see this stuff,” said a source. “This means there is another divide we have to work through. A divide in the RCMP.”
The offending posts have since been deleted from the site called “News Stories that Matter to or May Impact RCMP” which has 1,200 members.
Members must answer questions posed by an administrator about their policing careers before being admitted.
“This raises questions about people in the RCMP displaying bias and disdain when they’re supposed to uphold the law and respect our rights,” a source said.
“My God, this is on a public site – as if anything on Facebook is private. I’m blown away by their ignorance.”
A screen shot shared with APTN shows someone challenging the poster, albeit with some sarcasm.
“I’m so sorry to hear of the hardships you have endured while working on or near a reserve. I’m also very sad to hear that an active member of the RCMP would make such a bold statement to say ‘he got what he deserved.’
“If, this young man was breaking the law, what he ‘deserved’ was a fair investigation and a fair trial if there was sufficient evidence to lay charges. Isn’t that our job as police officers?”
APTN sent a message seeking comment to RCMP headquarters in Ottawa Wednesday night. A response was not received prior to publication.
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Having provided policing services to nonindigenous and indigenous communities for over 30 years in the Western Provinces and Territories I came to realize the criminal justice system in Canada is broken and does not provide Canadians the level of service they expect or are entitiled too. There is little hope this will change anytime soon as those within Canada’s judiciary are reluctant to acknowledge there is a problem or take responsibility or ownership for these issues or failings. Nobody desires to see these types of comments from a police officer with regards to the tragic death of this young man, or anyone under similar circumstances. I will not comment on the Colten Boushie case as I am not well enough informed to be commenting or speculating. However I can offer some insight into a possible reasons that there is such a great divide, frustration and often friction between police (RCMP) and our indigenous communties and residents, politics and ineffective leadership at the highest levels within the (RCMP) rsponsible for the First Nations Policing Portfolio. Indigenous policing has become so politicized in Canada and the ever increasing responsibilities, work loads, demands for accountability with continuing dwindling resources and support from senior (RCMP) managemrent has contributed significantly to the frustration, eroding morale and occupational stress injuries attributed to frontline (RCMP) members across Canada. Under these circumstances providing policing services to indigenous Canadians and communities is frequently very challenging and frustrating to those police officers, the vast majority of who try their utmost to deliver a quality sensitive police service each and every day they go work. On the other hand providing policing services is more often very satisfying, rewarding, enlightening and a learning experience for many police officers who previously had little or no previous exposure to Indigenous Canadians or communities. Many police officers have spent their careers by choice involved in indigenous policing. Having said that, there is no doubt there are those police officers who are not suited for providing indigenous policing services and should not be placed in this role or removed forewith from this role when this becomes evident. The indigenous policing issue in Canada will only improve when our Federal, Provincal, Police, Judiciary and Indigenous leaders acknowledge there is a real problem, take responsibility, ownership, demonstrate their leadership and start working together to arrive at a solution that will serve all Canadians, indigenous and non indigenous. The Colten Boushie event is a tragedy that should have never happened and as Canadians, indigenous and non indigenous we can do better by getting involved and ensure we hold our leaders to account to committing to addressing this issue with urgency.
Makes me wonder why they say it’s was a robbery or property thing.
Like come on colton was unconscious when all this happened. Yet they blame him for a crime he didn’t do when he wasn’t even awake. And the fact the gun so happened to “fire” which is mostly unlikely to happen only when the trigger is pressed. Of course the family would want justice wouldn’t you if it was your child?
To fight for him when he didn’t have a choice? Plus I think it would of been a little ease to the family if they heard a I’m sorry or something. Except the owners were sipping coffee acting like it didn’t happen.
So yeah it doesn’t add up?
Racism will only stop when you realise you have some first nation in your blood.
So be kind people.
This isn’t just for one person its for many who seek the same answers as the bouchie family. #weareallone
This is for the ” farmers group”! You carry on like, you are the only society in Canada that experiences property crime. City people have just as much as you do or more. We don’t take the law into our own hands and run out with a gun shooting.
Having provided policing services to nonindigenous and indigenous communities for over 30 years in the Western Provinces and Territories I came to realize the criminal justice system in Canada is broken and does not provide Canadians the level of service they expect or are entitiled too. There is little hope this will change anytime soon as those within Canada’s judiciary are reluctant to acknowledge there is a problem or take responsibility or ownership for these issues or failings. Nobody desires to see these types of comments from a police officer with regards to the tragic death of this young man, or anyone under similar circumstances. I will not comment on the Colten Boushie case as I am not well enough informed to be commenting or speculating. However I can offer some insight into a possible reasons that there is such a great divide, frustration and often friction between police (RCMP) and our indigenous communties and residents, politics and ineffective leadership at the highest levels within the (RCMP) rsponsible for the First Nations Policing Portfolio. Indigenous policing has become so politicized in Canada and the ever increasing responsibilities, work loads, demands for accountability with continuing dwindling resources and support from senior (RCMP) managemrent has contributed significantly to the frustration, eroding morale and occupational stress injuries attributed to frontline (RCMP) members across Canada. Under these circumstances providing policing services to indigenous Canadians and communities is frequently very challenging and frustrating to those police officers, the vast majority of who try their utmost to deliver a quality sensitive police service each and every day they go work. On the other hand providing policing services is more often very satisfying, rewarding, enlightening and a learning experience for many police officers who previously had little or no previous exposure to Indigenous Canadians or communities. Many police officers have spent their careers by choice involved in indigenous policing. Having said that, there is no doubt there are those police officers who are not suited for providing indigenous policing services and should not be placed in this role or removed forewith from this role when this becomes evident. The indigenous policing issue in Canada will only improve when our Federal, Provincal, Police, Judiciary and Indigenous leaders acknowledge there is a real problem, take responsibility, ownership, demonstrate their leadership and start working together to arrive at a solution that will serve all Canadians, indigenous and non indigenous. The Colten Boushie event is a tragedy that should have never happened and as Canadians, indigenous and non indigenous we can do better by getting involved and ensure we hold our leaders to account to committing to addressing this issue with urgency.
Makes me wonder why they say it’s was a robbery or property thing.
Like come on colton was unconscious when all this happened. Yet they blame him for a crime he didn’t do when he wasn’t even awake. And the fact the gun so happened to “fire” which is mostly unlikely to happen only when the trigger is pressed. Of course the family would want justice wouldn’t you if it was your child?
To fight for him when he didn’t have a choice? Plus I think it would of been a little ease to the family if they heard a I’m sorry or something. Except the owners were sipping coffee acting like it didn’t happen.
So yeah it doesn’t add up?
Racism will only stop when you realise you have some first nation in your blood.
So be kind people.
This isn’t just for one person its for many who seek the same answers as the bouchie family. #weareallone
This is for the ” farmers group”! You carry on like, you are the only society in Canada that experiences property crime. City people have just as much as you do or more. We don’t take the law into our own hands and run out with a gun shooting.
From what I understand and what was recorded in court testimony, the young man he shot in the head was alseep….passed out, as the police claim, which, for some reason, means he wasn’t asleep, he was passed out, so what, he was asleep, regardless….where was the threat, he was asleep in the SUV….sleeping……so much for self defense, accidentally he claims, but, claims he knows he loaded the gun, and fired it….he knows how many bullets he loaded, he knows he didn’t fire warning shots, emptied the gun, he knows he didn’t……anyone who believes this accidental…..looking for his wife who he thought was undwr the SUV, first thing he does says he emptied the gun, then, he says what….with empty gun, he reaches into SUV to take keys out if ignition….thinks wife is under car, wow, dunno bout anyone else, first thing I’m doing is ensuring my wife’s safety, I’m looking for her, after he kills Coulton wife is fine, so worried about her they go have tea….lol
So in big cities, property crimes happens all the time. We don’t dash out with a gun taking the law into our own hands!
Why are we surprised at this verdict! What we are witnessing here, is Canada’s version of the Trevon Martin’s case ln Florida. Nothing changes in the world for people of Colour. But we believe in the God of all Creation, he is the Final and Eternal Judge. Trust me, Justice will be served.
The white man has no morals!!
The only racist comments in this whole thing came from the natives themselves. That is why there was an all white jury because the dozens of natives interviewed where not impartial and disqualified. I absolutely agree that the system is for the criminal and getting worse all the time. But the division in this country comes from the top look at trudeaus comments about white people are a cancer on society, christians are basically poison to society. The largest group of racists in this country are our current government, but they all enjoy our tax money.
The RCMP is supposed to protect alll Canadians and that includes indigenous peoples who were here first! What a real shame that the entity that is supposed to be protecting us is communicating hate and a toxic approach to life in Canada. At minimum the RCMP individual who made those statements needs to be disciplined and get proper training… During that time they had best not be dealing with the public until such time that they can exhibit Canadian values and have respect for the founding people of this land. At most, they should be let go…. I come from Alberta, have first hand experience on what we have done to indigenous people and shame on the RCMP officer !!
Everyone, please check Andrea Hill’s twitter feed from the trial. It’s the closest thing we have to an actual transcript until the actual transcript is published. Base your opinions on that and not hearsay.
About time someone called a spade a spade! Nothing to do with race. All these bleeding hearts would be the first to cry about their safety, if a car load of criminals were to assult their home and family. If it was me there would be no witnesses.
Lotsa good comments from both sides-yes its true it was a bad situation-its been a feud eversince our two peoples met-we cant eliminte them n they can never eliminate us-i wished to see the life where we can live alongside eachother-it’ll never happen though-just do the best we both can with what we got
Ok lets say that this kid did nothing wrong…but his friends tried to break into the owners truck and either attempt to steal it or god imagine what else….ummm it is clear these natives had criminal intentions…easy for people to sit back and play race card…but what if this was your own family and house ..this man worked hard for his farm and family…these natives were trespassing and were attempting criminal activities….
Yes, it is time. The death of Colton Boushie- Citizen of Red Pheasant First Nation and a young man, age 22. He has a son and a daughter. He was a brother, son, cousin, nephew, uncle. How did he die? He died at the hands of another. His death must be the catalyst, The place where a direction and a vision is embraced, one in which the First People take our place in this society. Change must happen, now. The existing institutions are on the verge of moral and integral bankruptcy. There are many good actions and individuals within the system. Don’t get me wrong. But there is a rot. An imperial rot that parallels fewer stranger things. As George Johnson (Cree) says: Western society- nee. white- have abdicated their responsibility to individuals, to each other- to the institutions. They are the end all and the be all within which corruption is actively practiced, all within the legal confines of the systems. It allows amoral decisions to be rendered.
As is now well known, Colton Boushie drove onto the property of Gerald Standley on the August evening of 2016. He drove a grey Ford Escape with four passengers in it at the time of the killing. August- check. Whatever the circumstances- whether the vehicle was doing doughnuts on the front rose bush of Ms. Standley- or veering toward the family pick up- Stanley pulled out a gun and shot into the vehicle. This was a killing. The rancher brought his gun and it was used, in the hands of a white Canadian, responsible for the death of a First Nations person, yet again.
And while this killing may yet be determined to be a ‘tragic accident’ or a ‘defense of property’- whose land was really stolen? Stupid adults. We know how it happened. We know the historical and social precedents to know that the context is set for the forces of institutional and transgenerational racism to prevail. Too many people have died of what is ultimately oppression and destruction, veiled behind the thin gauze of coincidence and stacked jury decisions or police inaction. If you doubt this check the newspapers, check the history, check your prison rolls, your boil water advisories. If this is all being dealt with what do the numbers tell you? The number add up here. There are big stories yet to be revealed. When will you do that? When will we correct that?
Gerald Stanley killed him, the young man, Colton Boushie. This guy needs to go to prison, if any justice is to prevail. Otherwise, a new and old movement must be formed. Red Lives Matter. First Nation Citizens Lives Matter. The Clans Matter. So, what now? A change. A pledge to call out at any time the racism and class-ism and sexism in this society. to identify to recognize and embrace the cultural values of distant ancestors and all those people whom we value in our hearts. The y had something very right, and still do. They are the ones who can guide us to save ourselves and each other. Together. Those who cannot be persuaded can also live and flourish, but of their own accord. It is time to re- write the Indian Act of 1876. Lets re- do the whole thing. Who will take this on? Teams of lawyers need to work on this. True sovereignty must be codified as soon as possible.
In this, I appreciate this opportunity to type this comment. I miss the whole world. I wonder where justice is? The arc of the universe may be our own delusions of nostalgia and power. It is time to dismantle these imperial residues (Douglas Sanderson wrote about this).
And Colton Boushie’s family will receive some measure of justice with a guilty verdict and a prison term for Gerald Stanley. What verdict is just for the death of Colton Boushie? What monetary figure? What number of years? It is the question with no answer. Change is inevitable and it’s reality must be disclosed here, now.
Well said sir..
Why would any human being want a cop who portrays so much stupidity to protect and serve any community?
Here we have the clear evidence yet again. It’s nothing we didn’t already know. But it’s more clear now. It’s time racism against Our People is called out, period- at all levels. Changes need to be made, now. It is long past time that all of Canada acknowledge its history and the conditions that now exist in contemporary society- so much for the integrity of the RCMP. I am not talking about some self- serving pat themselves on the back because the government funded the Truth and Reconciliation Commission for five years. These Facebook pages are symptomatic of how deep it runs. We also have to address gaslighting by the mainstream media- CBC “Was the Not guilty verdict racially motivated”? This was an actual topic on one of their talk shows!”. Folks, its self- evident. See above.
It is going to take decades and serious pressure in all forms to rectify and heal the transgenerational and institutional racism that exists. It may never be completely eradicated within individual settlers. But what we must do is focus on the colonial institutions that currently uphold white supremacy- i.e. the legal system, the prison system, the health care system, the education system. That’s what the reaction to the outrage expressed at Colten’s killing and Standley’s acquittal represents, the desperation of the white supremacists to hold on to institutional privilege and the right to be criminally liable for the deaths of Our People without consequence.
We must also call out those who would hide behind the – don’t politicize the legal system- as if it is not already political!! look what members of the RCMP believe. Many settler people deny the reality that Canada was founded on a genocide and racism- things that are as Canadian as maple syrup and hockey- and more importantly the grinding poverty that is the legacy of our collective pasts. We must confront the root causes now and make a better future for all of our children- and their grandchildren, and their grandchildren, and theirs- those that we will never meet are those that will live out the legacy of what we choose here, now.
Racism is a reality. All races suffer it and all practice it.
Colton did not need to die.
There are details that are not making the mainstream, perhaps it’s designed to inflame.
This group had been drinking ‘earlier in the day’ and had attempted theft at a neighboring farm, before arriving at Stanley’s.
How could the RCMP member believe he got what he deserved? – to be ACCIDENTLY shot?
Juries should represent an accused peer group.
RIP Colten.
if a native did it he would have do life in pirson. we are not the USA we donot have wright to bear arms
Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (Men and Children) another statistic.
It astonishes me that so many people can say that this kid ‘got what he deserved’. DEATH? he deserved to die for such a thing? how about some perspective people.
There is also another “divide” we have to work through. A divide in the FN of reverse discrimination against non-FN people, which is enabled and facilitated by the bias media and sleazy opportunistic politicians clamoring for votes.
Sad that some APTN and FN people would find disagreeing opinions as “offensive”.
Why would the APTN and other bias media sites need to label the man shot as “FN” and the person defending himself and family from armed thieves as a “white farmer”? The media is hugely culpable and blameworthy as are some politicians for fomenting and fanning the flames of public racial hatred. These nefarious media sites and sleazy politicians should be ashamed of their less than moral actions…
I don’t believe criminals deserve to have the same rights as law abiding citizens, the moment the crime is being committed those rights are forfeited… The situation is further enhanced because of not only one criminal but four. It’s not fair to judge someone’s actions when protecting ones family and property is such a high tense and potentially life threatening situation. I don’t believe he had to die, it’s sad that is what happened in this case, but both parties are equally responsible, equally guilty or innocent how ever you view it… The crimes being committed in the first place were as preventable as the death, but the death was a result of the situation and seriousness of the crimes being committed.
From what I understand and what was recorded in court testimony, the young man he shot in the head was alseep….passed out, as the police claim, which, for some reason, means he wasn’t asleep, he was passed out, so what, he was asleep, regardless….where was the threat, he was asleep in the SUV….sleeping……so much for self defense, accidentally he claims, but, claims he knows he loaded the gun, and fired it….he knows how many bullets he loaded, he knows he didn’t fire warning shots, emptied the gun, he knows he didn’t……anyone who believes this accidental…..looking for his wife who he thought was undwr the SUV, first thing he does says he emptied the gun, then, he says what….with empty gun, he reaches into SUV to take keys out if ignition….thinks wife is under car, wow, dunno bout anyone else, first thing I’m doing is ensuring my wife’s safety, I’m looking for her, after he kills Coulton wife is fine, so worried about her they go have tea….lol
So in big cities, property crimes happens all the time. We don’t dash out with a gun taking the law into our own hands!
I strongly agree that the RCMP are at false with these accusations about this young individual, he did not deserve to get shot in the HEAD in the first place! He could of served justice or payed for his actions.. but not pay to get killed!! Stuff we have are materials.. they can always be replaced.. but us humans we can’t be replaced! Hope the farmer is enjoying all of this!!
yeah…… thats r RCMP unbelievable He shoots the in the head He puts is uniform on has a gun and thinks its ok to shoot a human wow what is wrong with r country its going to shit and then u got justin trudouea that thinks he’s GOD …..OMG what a joke he is hey …..Get rid of him .
This would not happen to one of my children because my children are taught not to take things that aren’t theirs and they are also taught not to be places they should not be , on property that is not theirs.
It was a terrible thing for an RCMP officer to say but aside from that sentence, unfortunately most of what he said is true.
Kids these days need to be held accountable for their actions and stop being so entitled .
That being said , I have a heavy heart for the family of this young man and wish he made better decisions .
For starters, there is no evidence that Boushie ever left the vehicle at any time to commit an illegal act while on the Stanley property. Second, no one ever saw Boushie driving the SUV (blood spatter evidence doesn’t prove he drove the car and is not definitive of location in vehicle as other factors can impact the spray). Third, Stanley would have had no knowledge of any other illegal acts carried out on other farms by this group until after the fact so that information was not present in his mind. We do know that he carelessly discharged a firearm, causing the death of another individual. The gun most definitely went off due to Stanley’s conduct and Boushie, who had remained in the SUV the entire time until Stanley invaded that space with the gun, would still be alive. The above IS the test for manslaughter. The jury applied the test wrong. It will be appealed. Who got what they deserved?
Debora, Im pretty sure driving around with a loaded rifle between your legs is illegal
nope I’m hunting moose… Bob !!!
I hope the UN investigation brings new light to this case and this nightmare is finally put to rest.
Police making statement like tht on public forum is disgraceful and goes against core values you should set example and be more concious of thé veiws you put on social média if you want respect show respect because what if that was said next time office for shot you be pissed off
Why are we surprised at this verdict! What we are witnessing here, is Canada’s version of the Trevon Martin’s case ln Florida. Nothing changes in the world for people of Colour. But we believe in the God of all Creation, he is the Final and Eternal Judge. Trust me, Justice will be served.
If this was a so called accident, then why on earth are these heartlesscops , sauing he got wjat he deservef ??? Really ? He got his life taken by accident , i thought. Did i miss something. They need to be written up and apologize for sayong such hate.
Actions have consequences…maybe he shouldn’t have been there. I think that’s what he meant as in “what he deserved.”
Yeah lets all start shooting people who come onto our property for help, charities, missionaries, your nieghbor, is this world stupid or what, ya they al fn deserve it.
The article said the jury refused to convict Stanley? What a strange way to word that? It would imply that the jury was being pressured to give another verdict. I have read the entire transcript of the Judge’s instructions to the jury and he did not try to persuade them to come to any specific verdict but instead explained repeatedly that they needed to base their verdict on only what was presented in court. The jury’s duty is to examine the evidence, review the testimonies and arrive at a verdict based on the trial, they did that to the best of their ability and I commend them in doing their duty. It was a difficult case but the crown failed to prove that Stanley intentionally tried to kill Boushie, we cannot blame the jury for that!
The only people who brought race into this is the media. “White farmer” “indigenous Colten”. Look into the jury pool. How many whites vs indigenous people were in the list. How many Actually showed up? Imagine even 1 on the jury and you’d have blantent racism staring is in the face because no matter how much the evidence pointed to the not guilty verdict, that 1 person would never have allowed it to happen. Hung jury. Justice was served. And although a young man’s life was cut short, this trial was never about race.
Play with fire, get burned.
I think you need to retire sir.
It appears you are disillusioned with the criminal code, and your job. I have worked on reserves , never had a problem. Loved my job and the residents of the reserve. Please consider are you happy in your job , if your not it’s time to rethink your options.
And again the virtuous go insane. No, Boushie did not get what he deserved but neither was he innocent. Why is there no outrage at the prosecution thinking they had s shot at a murder conviction with all the evidence at hand? Where is the admonition toward the judge that didn’t properly explain to the jury that they could scale down the charge to involuntary manslaughter, which this was, and offer a conviction on that charge? I don’t think the scales are balanced in this case, but they’re not as far out of balance as the SJW left would have us all accept.
Rcmp comments were true and a lot of us agree with them 100%. Stop playing the race card! Was the “white” farmer comment necessary? You are creating your own racism!!!
Not sure he deserved to die..
But you hit the nail on the head.. By automaticly blaming the “white farmer” is creating your own racism. There is times they are right. Racism does still exist.
But it will never go away if indegenous people can’t stop blaming everything on whites.
The white man has no morals!!
There’s two sides to every story, and usually both sides can be right.
The sides to this one can be understood as don’t mess around on other people’s property and people shouldn’t be able to get away with murder. It’s quite unsettling that people who are tasked with our safety believe that people should be able to get away with murder.
I think the term ‘he deserved what he got’, is a little too judgemental and mean for me. I’d say he earned the bullet…
Simple logic: If he hadn’t been drunked up and invading someone’s property to do crime – he wouldn’t have got shot!
So why are all these Indians and privileged, white, liberals, squawking about racism and injustice? You ever hear of cause and effect?
After the killing of Mr Stonechild outside Regina. How is this Death a surprise? How was the obstruction of Justice, Not Instutional Intent? Hatred and intolerance, Is not a right to commit!
They had some natives as jury that applied most decided not rest showed a biased attitude towards Stanley this whole thing is turning into shit show for votes
We already knew the cops and RCMP were never on our sides because of “racism”. For an RCMP officer to say race is not an issue is BS, we see how they look at us and they also don’t respond to emergencies until waaaay ltr when they think the criminal activity is done and over so there is no more danger for them when they finally go where they’re called.
The shooting is so sad.A son shoot bc he was on a farmers property?Wonder what the courts would say if we starting shooting the whites for being on our land.
IF IT WAS A WHITE MAN AND A NATIVE OR ABORIGINAL MAN SHOT HIM IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND THE NATIVE MAN OR ABORIGINAL MAN WOULD HAVE WENT TO JAIL AND THIS IS HOW OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE SORRY TO SAY BUT THE NATIVE AND ABORIGINAL PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND STILL NOTHING IT IS SO SAD AND VERY HURTFUL CAUSE WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND AND IT SHOULDN’T MATTER WHAT COLOR WE ARE OR OUR BACK ROUND IS WE ARE WHO WE ARE AND I AM A NATIVE WOMEN AND I AM VERY PROUD OF WHO I AM
There are always two sides to a story. It’s up to the justice system to prove what really happened. Sometimes though the system has faults. Lawyers can manipulate the system.
The only racist comments in this whole thing came from the natives themselves. That is why there was an all white jury because the dozens of natives interviewed where not impartial and disqualified. I absolutely agree that the system is for the criminal and getting worse all the time. But the division in this country comes from the top look at trudeaus comments about white people are a cancer on society, christians are basically poison to society. The largest group of racists in this country are our current government, but they all enjoy our tax money.
Sadly, this is the tip of an iceberg. It is time for the RCMP and Police Forces to root out their racists and other criminal elements. If that is not possible, the government will lose all moral authority in the eyes of some. Let’s face it, if you are going to be treated like a criminal regardless of whether you are or are not. You might as well start defending what you have and taking what you can get, because otherwise you are an active participant in your own diminishment. Robin Hood didn’t ask for his right to exist, he took it. And that is basically the root of where the Magna Carta started. When the Crown actively diminishes a person, and treats them as less than another, the Crown is opening itself up to the resolution process identified clearly in the Magna Carta.
he was just a child what is wrong with you people how would you feel if that farmer shot one of your kids in the back of the head you dumb asses that’s just disrespectful to somebody that’s passed on and I don’t agree with these people a bunch of racist remember Whitey we took their land natives are the First Peoples here
This would not happen to one of my children because my children are taught not to take things that aren’t theirs and they are also taught not to be places they should not be , on property that is not theirs.
It was a terrible thing for an RCMP officer to say but aside from that sentence, unfortunately most of what he said is true.
Kids these days need to be held accountable for their actions and stop being so entitled .
That being said , I have a heavy heart for the family of this young man and wish he made better decisions .
Natives tribes of this continent fought bloody, gruesome wars for land amongst themselfes… Long before the “Whiteys“ arrived.
Unbelievable…get with today and really research your historical fiction… inductranated colonization we all on the chop block tax slaves…!!!!
He was not a child. He was 20 years old. In fact, all of the occupants in the vehicle that drove onto the farmer’s property were 18 and over.
I don’t fully understand why Colten is frequently called “the kid” or in Patty’s case “he was just a child” when , in fact, he was a 22 year old MAN. At that age, most men are out of their mother’s house pursuing a career and/or working and raising a family. At 22 years of age, Colten was on a very destructive path and engaging in criminal activities. Something bad was eventually going to happen.
I do feel bad for the kid but why is it ok he was doing something wrong and then this happened we don’t talk about what the kid was going to do when caught I lived on a reserve for a couple years and it was ok except the kids were really bad the worst mouths on them ever totally disrespectful of there parents and especially grandparents I remember visiting an older lady at there care facility she was so sweet but what she had to say about the new generation of children out there was not nice her own children and grandchildren who lived about a block and a half away would not visit her or call her they just left her there to die which then led to her saying how spoiled they are and for them to be given compensation for what her and her parents and grandparents may or may not have went through is rediculous and I agreed with her she explained to me how lazy it has made them they expect everything handed to them now and again I had to agree so I ask again why does no one care that the boy was going to commit a crime this was not just about race but it’s being made out to be that way and it’s sad
what is the address of the fb page?
Funny this article didn’t mention that Colten Boushie was carrying a loaded 22 rifle in his vehicle at the time of the incident.
Boushie’s killer’s own story (as related in court) was that he was not aware of the presence of any gun. Therefore, it could not have contributed to any sense of danger or otherwise motivated his actions. Then again, if he did know the gun was there then perhaps the “hang fire” explanation is less compelling.
The RCMP is supposed to protect alll Canadians and that includes indigenous peoples who were here first! What a real shame that the entity that is supposed to be protecting us is communicating hate and a toxic approach to life in Canada. At minimum the RCMP individual who made those statements needs to be disciplined and get proper training… During that time they had best not be dealing with the public until such time that they can exhibit Canadian values and have respect for the founding people of this land. At most, they should be let go…. I come from Alberta, have first hand experience on what we have done to indigenous people and shame on the RCMP officer !!
I have believed, for a very long time, that one of the things lacking in our country is a basic understanding of scapegoating. Part of that understanding needs to be the history of scapegoating, how it has been an essential component justifying genocide.
I understand both sides a friend had a cottage where it was Native land and l recall being outside with the kids and a bunch pulled up the driveway sat for at least two hours were drinking beer and making rude comments. I was so angry thinking its not right. So l feel that both sides need to find ways to respect each other.
If anyone has played the race card in this situation, it was Gerald Stanley’s defence. In picking an all white jury, he ensured an us against them dynamic that resulted in “us” winning, no matter the cost to anyone and everyone.
Both the defence and the prosecution had part in jury selection. There were several FN individuals in the jury pool who refused to serve on the jury possibly out of fear of reprisal from their own community), and several who attended jury selection wearing “Justice for Colton” shirts (overt bias is automatically grounds for dismissal from selection to the jury).
That’s how the process works, Stanley had a right to trial by a jury of his peers, not a jury that was a racial cross-section of Canadian society…
No one seems to know this or care, thanks for posting. I am not a lawyer, but as to the charges, I feel it was manslaughter,BUT, he was not charged with manslaughter. he was charged with second degree murder. The judge, did he instruct the jury properly, where was the charge of careless use of a firearm? In my mind this was not handled very well and the crown may appeal.
Both lawyers had a chance to pick jurors, it wasn’t just Gerald’s lawyer that picked them, both had equal opportunity to get rid of jurors as well during the selection period.. Maybe the prosecutor should did a better job..
Everyone, please check Andrea Hill’s twitter feed from the trial. It’s the closest thing we have to an actual transcript until the actual transcript is published. Base your opinions on that and not hearsay.
About time someone called a spade a spade! Nothing to do with race. All these bleeding hearts would be the first to cry about their safety, if a car load of criminals were to assult their home and family. If it was me there would be no witnesses.
Lotsa good comments from both sides-yes its true it was a bad situation-its been a feud eversince our two peoples met-we cant eliminte them n they can never eliminate us-i wished to see the life where we can live alongside eachother-it’ll never happen though-just do the best we both can with what we got
RCMP were created to help eliminate the “Indian Problem”, and to keep us on our reserves and in a prison camp system where we needed permission to leave even to work. They existed to keep us away from Hudsons Bay and the fur trap and trade business. I’d say these Mounties are simply following their handbook on how to handle us natives – by hoping we and helping us to die and the rcmp want to compete the genocide John a MacDonald started. Shame on the RCMP for not shutting down once modern citizens learned this fact. They’re an agent of colonial violence and death
✓ hit it right on the nail still at colonialism brain washed inductranated colonization it’s on its way out with the rest of planet Earth along with the corruption that rule the fake puppets called government…
Ok lets say that this kid did nothing wrong…but his friends tried to break into the owners truck and either attempt to steal it or god imagine what else….ummm it is clear these natives had criminal intentions…easy for people to sit back and play race card…but what if this was your own family and house ..this man worked hard for his farm and family…these natives were trespassing and were attempting criminal activities….
Yes, it is time. The death of Colton Boushie- Citizen of Red Pheasant First Nation and a young man, age 22. He has a son and a daughter. He was a brother, son, cousin, nephew, uncle. How did he die? He died at the hands of another. His death must be the catalyst, The place where a direction and a vision is embraced, one in which the First People take our place in this society. Change must happen, now. The existing institutions are on the verge of moral and integral bankruptcy. There are many good actions and individuals within the system. Don’t get me wrong. But there is a rot. An imperial rot that parallels fewer stranger things. As George Johnson (Cree) says: Western society- nee. white- have abdicated their responsibility to individuals, to each other- to the institutions. They are the end all and the be all within which corruption is actively practiced, all within the legal confines of the systems. It allows amoral decisions to be rendered.
As is now well known, Colton Boushie drove onto the property of Gerald Standley on the August evening of 2016. He drove a grey Ford Escape with four passengers in it at the time of the killing. August- check. Whatever the circumstances- whether the vehicle was doing doughnuts on the front rose bush of Ms. Standley- or veering toward the family pick up- Stanley pulled out a gun and shot into the vehicle. This was a killing. The rancher brought his gun and it was used, in the hands of a white Canadian, responsible for the death of a First Nations person, yet again.
And while this killing may yet be determined to be a ‘tragic accident’ or a ‘defense of property’- whose land was really stolen? Stupid adults. We know how it happened. We know the historical and social precedents to know that the context is set for the forces of institutional and transgenerational racism to prevail. Too many people have died of what is ultimately oppression and destruction, veiled behind the thin gauze of coincidence and stacked jury decisions or police inaction. If you doubt this check the newspapers, check the history, check your prison rolls, your boil water advisories. If this is all being dealt with what do the numbers tell you? The number add up here. There are big stories yet to be revealed. When will you do that? When will we correct that?
Gerald Stanley killed him, the young man, Colton Boushie. This guy needs to go to prison, if any justice is to prevail. Otherwise, a new and old movement must be formed. Red Lives Matter. First Nation Citizens Lives Matter. The Clans Matter. So, what now? A change. A pledge to call out at any time the racism and class-ism and sexism in this society. to identify to recognize and embrace the cultural values of distant ancestors and all those people whom we value in our hearts. The y had something very right, and still do. They are the ones who can guide us to save ourselves and each other. Together. Those who cannot be persuaded can also live and flourish, but of their own accord. It is time to re- write the Indian Act of 1876. Lets re- do the whole thing. Who will take this on? Teams of lawyers need to work on this. True sovereignty must be codified as soon as possible.
In this, I appreciate this opportunity to type this comment. I miss the whole world. I wonder where justice is? The arc of the universe may be our own delusions of nostalgia and power. It is time to dismantle these imperial residues (Douglas Sanderson wrote about this).
And Colton Boushie’s family will receive some measure of justice with a guilty verdict and a prison term for Gerald Stanley. What verdict is just for the death of Colton Boushie? What monetary figure? What number of years? It is the question with no answer. Change is inevitable and it’s reality must be disclosed here, now.
Well said sir..
Why would any human being want a cop who portrays so much stupidity to protect and serve any community?
Here we have the clear evidence yet again. It’s nothing we didn’t already know. But it’s more clear now. It’s time racism against Our People is called out, period- at all levels. Changes need to be made, now. It is long past time that all of Canada acknowledge its history and the conditions that now exist in contemporary society- so much for the integrity of the RCMP. I am not talking about some self- serving pat themselves on the back because the government funded the Truth and Reconciliation Commission for five years. These Facebook pages are symptomatic of how deep it runs. We also have to address gaslighting by the mainstream media- CBC “Was the Not guilty verdict racially motivated”? This was an actual topic on one of their talk shows!”. Folks, its self- evident. See above.
It is going to take decades and serious pressure in all forms to rectify and heal the transgenerational and institutional racism that exists. It may never be completely eradicated within individual settlers. But what we must do is focus on the colonial institutions that currently uphold white supremacy- i.e. the legal system, the prison system, the health care system, the education system. That’s what the reaction to the outrage expressed at Colten’s killing and Standley’s acquittal represents, the desperation of the white supremacists to hold on to institutional privilege and the right to be criminally liable for the deaths of Our People without consequence.
We must also call out those who would hide behind the – don’t politicize the legal system- as if it is not already political!! look what members of the RCMP believe. Many settler people deny the reality that Canada was founded on a genocide and racism- things that are as Canadian as maple syrup and hockey- and more importantly the grinding poverty that is the legacy of our collective pasts. We must confront the root causes now and make a better future for all of our children- and their grandchildren, and their grandchildren, and theirs- those that we will never meet are those that will live out the legacy of what we choose here, now.
Still much work to be done within police culture obviously …
Racism is a reality. All races suffer it and all practice it.
Colton did not need to die.
There are details that are not making the mainstream, perhaps it’s designed to inflame.
This group had been drinking ‘earlier in the day’ and had attempted theft at a neighboring farm, before arriving at Stanley’s.
How could the RCMP member believe he got what he deserved? – to be ACCIDENTLY shot?
Juries should represent an accused peer group.
RIP Colten.
if a native did it he would have do life in pirson. we are not the USA we donot have wright to bear arms
Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (Men and Children) another statistic.
It astonishes me that so many people can say that this kid ‘got what he deserved’. DEATH? he deserved to die for such a thing? how about some perspective people.
Unfortunately I’m not surprised. That young man may have been doing wrong but he didn’t deserve to die.
And this is why natives die or get beaten in the cells right R C M P?
There is also another “divide” we have to work through. A divide in the FN of reverse discrimination against non-FN people, which is enabled and facilitated by the bias media and sleazy opportunistic politicians clamoring for votes.
Sad that some APTN and FN people would find disagreeing opinions as “offensive”.
Why would the APTN and other bias media sites need to label the man shot as “FN” and the person defending himself and family from armed thieves as a “white farmer”? The media is hugely culpable and blameworthy as are some politicians for fomenting and fanning the flames of public racial hatred. These nefarious media sites and sleazy politicians should be ashamed of their less than moral actions…
I don’t believe criminals deserve to have the same rights as law abiding citizens, the moment the crime is being committed those rights are forfeited… The situation is further enhanced because of not only one criminal but four. It’s not fair to judge someone’s actions when protecting ones family and property is such a high tense and potentially life threatening situation. I don’t believe he had to die, it’s sad that is what happened in this case, but both parties are equally responsible, equally guilty or innocent how ever you view it… The crimes being committed in the first place were as preventable as the death, but the death was a result of the situation and seriousness of the crimes being committed.
Pretty much explains the sickening mistreatment of Colten’s mom and other family members upon hearing the death of their loved one…there are racist cops in Thunder Bay , Toronto Ontario. Starting to see a pattern of a systemic racist rot with in police dept.’s.
I strongly agree that the RCMP are at false with these accusations about this young individual, he did not deserve to get shot in the HEAD in the first place! He could of served justice or payed for his actions.. but not pay to get killed!! Stuff we have are materials.. they can always be replaced.. but us humans we can’t be replaced! Hope the farmer is enjoying all of this!!
yeah…… thats r RCMP unbelievable He shoots the in the head He puts is uniform on has a gun and thinks its ok to shoot a human wow what is wrong with r country its going to shit and then u got justin trudouea that thinks he’s GOD …..OMG what a joke he is hey …..Get rid of him .
This would not happen to one of my children because my children are taught not to take things that aren’t theirs and they are also taught not to be places they should not be , on property that is not theirs.
It was a terrible thing for an RCMP officer to say but aside from that sentence, unfortunately most of what he said is true.
Kids these days need to be held accountable for their actions and stop being so entitled .
That being said , I have a heavy heart for the family of this young man and wish he made better decisions .
I really don’t think the jury’s should have been all white because I will say it work for accused not the victim. This young man should have never died . The accused should have phone the police and not taking law is his own hands
I would of done the same thing sad a kid died but my family and home come first don’t care what urban color is but stop bringing race into this you people use it way to much had nothing to do with race the guy thought he was going to be robbed so he didoesn’t what most would he should not be held responsible
For starters, there is no evidence that Boushie ever left the vehicle at any time to commit an illegal act while on the Stanley property. Second, no one ever saw Boushie driving the SUV (blood spatter evidence doesn’t prove he drove the car and is not definitive of location in vehicle as other factors can impact the spray). Third, Stanley would have had no knowledge of any other illegal acts carried out on other farms by this group until after the fact so that information was not present in his mind. We do know that he carelessly discharged a firearm, causing the death of another individual. The gun most definitely went off due to Stanley’s conduct and Boushie, who had remained in the SUV the entire time until Stanley invaded that space with the gun, would still be alive. The above IS the test for manslaughter. The jury applied the test wrong. It will be appealed. Who got what they deserved?
Debora, Im pretty sure driving around with a loaded rifle between your legs is illegal
nope I’m hunting moose… Bob !!!
I hope the UN investigation brings new light to this case and this nightmare is finally put to rest.
Police making statement like tht on public forum is disgraceful and goes against core values you should set example and be more concious of thé veiws you put on social média if you want respect show respect because what if that was said next time office for shot you be pissed off
i work on a reserve and I havent yet met an indian who doesnt play the race card every time they dont get their way. I hear it 10x a day from 10 different tribe members. They have lost all credibilty due to their own actions. That Bouchie kid got what he deserved, too bad the rest of his gang of career criminals didn’t catch a few bullets.
A young man deserves to die because you aren’t happy with your job. How stupid of you to make such a statement.
Bob, You certainly should not be working on a reserve. And just for your info, people who live on reserves are not Indians.
Your comments are disgusting!!!!! Why are you even working on a first nation if that is the way you think and talk????
Hey Dipshit this Ain’t India. So my people aren’t Indians. Sometimes its better to comment when facts are straight. Use your head for more than to keep your ears apart.
so where on what reserve do you work bob should be easy to answer because you are sooooo right
Bob, if you feel that way, why are you working on a reserve? Do yourself a favour and leave. People like you are a problem!
You are a disgusting disgrace to all human beings…how do you get up in the morning do you look at your racist behavior of exactly what you really are you need help man get it as soon as possible… Take a good hard long look at your self man see your racist mug shot in your mirror looking direct into your own agenda ….unbelievable !!!!
I would say time to change your job sir. This young man did not get what he deserved and neither did Mr. Stanley. I work with many First Nations people as well and never once have I heard a complaint from anyone. Never has a race card been played, but I have seen first hand some of the racism that exists in this country.
If this was a so called accident, then why on earth are these heartlesscops , sauing he got wjat he deservef ??? Really ? He got his life taken by accident , i thought. Did i miss something. They need to be written up and apologize for sayong such hate.
Actions have consequences…maybe he shouldn’t have been there. I think that’s what he meant as in “what he deserved.”
Yeah lets all start shooting people who come onto our property for help, charities, missionaries, your nieghbor, is this world stupid or what, ya they al fn deserve it.
The article said the jury refused to convict Stanley? What a strange way to word that? It would imply that the jury was being pressured to give another verdict. I have read the entire transcript of the Judge’s instructions to the jury and he did not try to persuade them to come to any specific verdict but instead explained repeatedly that they needed to base their verdict on only what was presented in court. The jury’s duty is to examine the evidence, review the testimonies and arrive at a verdict based on the trial, they did that to the best of their ability and I commend them in doing their duty. It was a difficult case but the crown failed to prove that Stanley intentionally tried to kill Boushie, we cannot blame the jury for that!
The only people who brought race into this is the media. “White farmer” “indigenous Colten”. Look into the jury pool. How many whites vs indigenous people were in the list. How many Actually showed up? Imagine even 1 on the jury and you’d have blantent racism staring is in the face because no matter how much the evidence pointed to the not guilty verdict, that 1 person would never have allowed it to happen. Hung jury. Justice was served. And although a young man’s life was cut short, this trial was never about race.
Play with fire, get burned.
I think you need to retire sir.
It appears you are disillusioned with the criminal code, and your job. I have worked on reserves , never had a problem. Loved my job and the residents of the reserve. Please consider are you happy in your job , if your not it’s time to rethink your options.
And again the virtuous go insane. No, Boushie did not get what he deserved but neither was he innocent. Why is there no outrage at the prosecution thinking they had s shot at a murder conviction with all the evidence at hand? Where is the admonition toward the judge that didn’t properly explain to the jury that they could scale down the charge to involuntary manslaughter, which this was, and offer a conviction on that charge? I don’t think the scales are balanced in this case, but they’re not as far out of balance as the SJW left would have us all accept.
Rcmp comments were true and a lot of us agree with them 100%. Stop playing the race card! Was the “white” farmer comment necessary? You are creating your own racism!!!
Not sure he deserved to die..
But you hit the nail on the head.. By automaticly blaming the “white farmer” is creating your own racism. There is times they are right. Racism does still exist.
But it will never go away if indegenous people can’t stop blaming everything on whites.
There’s two sides to every story, and usually both sides can be right.
The sides to this one can be understood as don’t mess around on other people’s property and people shouldn’t be able to get away with murder. It’s quite unsettling that people who are tasked with our safety believe that people should be able to get away with murder.
I do not agree with the ‘got what they deserved’ comment but can totally understand the frustration of somebody working in a system that they are trying to improve/police and when a decision is not like there is the ‘race’ card pulled
I think the term ‘he deserved what he got’, is a little too judgemental and mean for me. I’d say he earned the bullet…
Simple logic: If he hadn’t been drunked up and invading someone’s property to do crime – he wouldn’t have got shot!
So why are all these Indians and privileged, white, liberals, squawking about racism and injustice? You ever hear of cause and effect?
After the killing of Mr Stonechild outside Regina. How is this Death a surprise? How was the obstruction of Justice, Not Instutional Intent? Hatred and intolerance, Is not a right to commit!
They had some natives as jury that applied most decided not rest showed a biased attitude towards Stanley this whole thing is turning into shit show for votes
We already knew the cops and RCMP were never on our sides because of “racism”. For an RCMP officer to say race is not an issue is BS, we see how they look at us and they also don’t respond to emergencies until waaaay ltr when they think the criminal activity is done and over so there is no more danger for them when they finally go where they’re called.
The shooting is so sad.A son shoot bc he was on a farmers property?Wonder what the courts would say if we starting shooting the whites for being on our land.
IF IT WAS A WHITE MAN AND A NATIVE OR ABORIGINAL MAN SHOT HIM IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND THE NATIVE MAN OR ABORIGINAL MAN WOULD HAVE WENT TO JAIL AND THIS IS HOW OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE SORRY TO SAY BUT THE NATIVE AND ABORIGINAL PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND STILL NOTHING IT IS SO SAD AND VERY HURTFUL CAUSE WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND AND IT SHOULDN’T MATTER WHAT COLOR WE ARE OR OUR BACK ROUND IS WE ARE WHO WE ARE AND I AM A NATIVE WOMEN AND I AM VERY PROUD OF WHO I AM
There are always two sides to a story. It’s up to the justice system to prove what really happened. Sometimes though the system has faults. Lawyers can manipulate the system.
Sadly, this is the tip of an iceberg. It is time for the RCMP and Police Forces to root out their racists and other criminal elements. If that is not possible, the government will lose all moral authority in the eyes of some. Let’s face it, if you are going to be treated like a criminal regardless of whether you are or are not. You might as well start defending what you have and taking what you can get, because otherwise you are an active participant in your own diminishment. Robin Hood didn’t ask for his right to exist, he took it. And that is basically the root of where the Magna Carta started. When the Crown actively diminishes a person, and treats them as less than another, the Crown is opening itself up to the resolution process identified clearly in the Magna Carta.
he was just a child what is wrong with you people how would you feel if that farmer shot one of your kids in the back of the head you dumb asses that’s just disrespectful to somebody that’s passed on and I don’t agree with these people a bunch of racist remember Whitey we took their land natives are the First Peoples here
This would not happen to one of my children because my children are taught not to take things that aren’t theirs and they are also taught not to be places they should not be , on property that is not theirs.
It was a terrible thing for an RCMP officer to say but aside from that sentence, unfortunately most of what he said is true.
Kids these days need to be held accountable for their actions and stop being so entitled .
That being said , I have a heavy heart for the family of this young man and wish he made better decisions .
Natives tribes of this continent fought bloody, gruesome wars for land amongst themselfes… Long before the “Whiteys” arrived.
Unbelievable…get with today and really research your historical fiction… inductranated colonization we all on the chop block tax slaves…!!!!
He was not a child. He was 20 years old. In fact, all of the occupants in the vehicle that drove onto the farmer’s property were 18 and over.
I don’t fully understand why Colten is frequently called “the kid” or in Patty’s case “he was just a child” when , in fact, he was a 22 year old MAN. At that age, most men are out of their mother’s house pursuing a career and/or working and raising a family. At 22 years of age, Colten was on a very destructive path and engaging in criminal activities. Something bad was eventually going to happen.
I do feel bad for the kid but why is it ok he was doing something wrong and then this happened we don’t talk about what the kid was going to do when caught I lived on a reserve for a couple years and it was ok except the kids were really bad the worst mouths on them ever totally disrespectful of there parents and especially grandparents I remember visiting an older lady at there care facility she was so sweet but what she had to say about the new generation of children out there was not nice her own children and grandchildren who lived about a block and a half away would not visit her or call her they just left her there to die which then led to her saying how spoiled they are and for them to be given compensation for what her and her parents and grandparents may or may not have went through is rediculous and I agreed with her she explained to me how lazy it has made them they expect everything handed to them now and again I had to agree so I ask again why does no one care that the boy was going to commit a crime this was not just about race but it’s being made out to be that way and it’s sad
what is the address of the fb page?
Funny this article didn’t mention that Colten Boushie was carrying a loaded 22 rifle in his vehicle at the time of the incident.
Boushie’s killer’s own story (as related in court) was that he was not aware of the presence of any gun. Therefore, it could not have contributed to any sense of danger or otherwise motivated his actions. Then again, if he did know the gun was there then perhaps the “hang fire” explanation is less compelling.
I have believed, for a very long time, that one of the things lacking in our country is a basic understanding of scapegoating. Part of that understanding needs to be the history of scapegoating, how it has been an essential component justifying genocide.
I just read this, if in fact is not a good sign for sure, why an member would even say such a thing is not correct, nobody deserves to die, having worked on a reserve in northern Manitoba for three years (RCMP) laughed cried enjoyed had my moments but never thought of that statement if true, sure it is no perfect life, I was lucky to open the detachment so with much help, members community, chief we succeeded for my time for sure but comments can change everything still recall the experience(all good)
I understand both sides a friend had a cottage where it was Native land and l recall being outside with the kids and a bunch pulled up the driveway sat for at least two hours were drinking beer and making rude comments. I was so angry thinking its not right. So l feel that both sides need to find ways to respect each other.
If anyone has played the race card in this situation, it was Gerald Stanley’s defence. In picking an all white jury, he ensured an us against them dynamic that resulted in “us” winning, no matter the cost to anyone and everyone.
Both the defence and the prosecution had part in jury selection. There were several FN individuals in the jury pool who refused to serve on the jury possibly out of fear of reprisal from their own community), and several who attended jury selection wearing “Justice for Colton” shirts (overt bias is automatically grounds for dismissal from selection to the jury).
That’s how the process works, Stanley had a right to trial by a jury of his peers, not a jury that was a racial cross-section of Canadian society…
No one seems to know this or care, thanks for posting. I am not a lawyer, but as to the charges, I feel it was manslaughter,BUT, he was not charged with manslaughter. he was charged with second degree murder. The judge, did he instruct the jury properly, where was the charge of careless use of a firearm? In my mind this was not handled very well and the crown may appeal.
Both lawyers had a chance to pick jurors, it wasn’t just Gerald’s lawyer that picked them, both had equal opportunity to get rid of jurors as well during the selection period.. Maybe the prosecutor should did a better job..
All bad comes to the surface. I feel all RCMP have to take an extensive history course about aboriginal peoples of Canada, before they get to become RCMP and City police too.
Nobody deserves to be shot in the head for that. Give your hardened cop head a shake. To say that when you work on a reserve?? You give every compassionate RCMP member in Canada a bad name. Shame on you!
That’s how I feel too.
I cannot believe that so many think that the punishment for theft, or even suspected theft, for a Canadian citizen should be death, and the sentence carried out by other citizen.
How awful.
RCMP were created to help eliminate the “Indian Problem”, and to keep us on our reserves and in a prison camp system where we needed permission to leave even to work. They existed to keep us away from Hudsons Bay and the fur trap and trade business. I’d say these Mounties are simply following their handbook on how to handle us natives – by hoping we and helping us to die and the rcmp want to compete the genocide John a MacDonald started. Shame on the RCMP for not shutting down once modern citizens learned this fact. They’re an agent of colonial violence and death
✓ hit it right on the nail still at colonialism brain washed inductranated colonization it’s on its way out with the rest of planet Earth along with the corruption that rule the fake puppets called government…
Still much work to be done within police culture obviously …
Whatever happened he was young the guy still didnt have to kill him simple as that
Unfortunately I’m not surprised. That young man may have been doing wrong but he didn’t deserve to die.
And this is why natives die or get beaten in the cells right R C M P?
Supporters of Gerald Stanley continue to try to rationalize this murder by believing he was protecting his family and property. He was not acquitted because he was protecting his family and property. He was aquitted because he reached pretty far into the barrel and invented a story proclaiming it was an accident. That is how the judge should have charged the jury.
Gerald Stanley had no right to shoot Colten Boushie to protect his property and family
wow this kid was passed out had no idea what was gonig on and he got what he deserved
Pretty much explains the sickening mistreatment of Colten’s mom and other family members upon hearing the death of their loved one…there are racist cops in Thunder Bay , Toronto Ontario. Starting to see a pattern of a systemic racist rot with in police dept.’s.
This makes me so mad! If it was the other way around, the native would probably get life in prison!
Ah now that is true. I feel like if he had killed a white person there is a strong possibility that the outcome would have been the same. But when you reverse it- native kills a white person. You are probably right.
When the rcmp was created so long ago during treaty times…they were assigned the task of policing European settlers from doing harm to Indians or aboriginals or first nation people…back then the only good Indian was a dead one…somewhere along the way the rcmp found it easier to incarcerate the Indians and have been doing so ever since…maybe when an officer wants to come onto our tribal lands that officer should be wearing the royal Canadian mounted police uniform….the mounty uniform….my people should ask for that from now on…that way respect from the uniform would work both ways…indians would respect the uniform and the officer in turn shows respect to those around with his personal presentations….
Just comply with the law. How simple is that?
Indians are from India. We are not. We are either First or Six Nation. This debate is not Rocket science. The same can be said about rcmp. They “helped” by putting us in residential schools. And yes there are some good ones. Very few and Very far between I have to Constantly fight the Immense Hated for all cops. Things would be different, if Racist cops were forced to leave. And Natives that want to party should try a little harder to Behave. When you’re native and party it makes us all look Bad. No offence but I’m personally Sick of it.
I really don’t think the jury’s should have been all white because I will say it work for accused not the victim. This young man should have never died . The accused should have phone the police and not taking law is his own hands
This article does not speak to truth, or for Canada. This cop is not being shocking in any way and his comments are not offensive and do not inflame racism. He tells the truth in a very clear way. The farmer stood trial and was found not guilty by virtue of his protecting his farm and his family’s safety, surely he has that right. This cop is on the front line and maybe he sees where justice lies, I for one believe him. Thousands of Canadians see this as justice being served .Break the law and the price may be heavy and not to your liking. By the way, what or who is this source that accuses the RCMP of bias, disdain and ignorance? Canadians trust the former more then your mysterious source. Just obey the law, and don’t use the race card for everything.
what happen to calling RCMP AND WAITING FOR THEM,
what would that do they take forever to show up
Rural residence such as farmers may have a police response time of 20-40min depending on location..
I live in the country and the police response time is 30min at best, this isn’t an urban area..
A lot can happen waiting for police.. Call and wait may not be an option.
Threat is imminate, help is up to hours away!
Where is the evidence that the young people who drove onto that farm threatened anybody? Yes, they were drunk, they admitted that. Yes, one jumped on a quad bike, looked into a gold truck that was parked on the farm. But when they realised the farmer, his son and wife saw them they tried to drive and then run away. The only possible justification for shooting anyone is if there is a serious threat to life, e.g., a person with a weapon is attacking you or your loved ones.
No one is entitled to shoot someone to protect their property. What crap.The defence did not argue that stupid argument because it is wrong, morally and in law. The defence was that the gun went off as an accident. Pretty hard to believe – which is the crux of the Canada-wide protest.
For an RCMP to say that accidentally shooting somebody is a correct response to trespass is a grave concern. And singling out First Nations people as people who deserve to be taught a lesson by this killing– by a suposed peace officer– well, that is hate speech.
So you support the concept of capital punishment administered, without benefit of charges, trial, or verdict, by any citizen who finds brown people on his property? Now we know.
The farmer was NOT found not guilty “by virtue of his protecting his farm and his family’s safety”. He claimed the gun fired by accident, so whether or not he was protecting anything was not considered as a point of law. The decision had nothing to do with “break the law and the price may be heavy.” It was whether the jury believed his claim that the gun fired accidently was enough to create reasonable doubt. It was very surprising that he was not found guilty of a firearms related offence, as many (especially Indigenous) people spend years In jail for firearms related accidents or incidents in which harm was negligible.or non-existent. For example, in a current case in Nunavut, a young man was suicidal and threatening to kill himself with a rifle. At no time did he threaten anyone else or was anyone else in danger. A friend tried to stop him and knocked the gun out of his hands, and it accidently went off. No one was injured. He is facing a mandatory minimum sentence of at least four years in prison for dangerous handling of a firearm. There are many of these types of cases every year.
I would of done the same thing sad a kid died but my family and home come first don’t care what urban color is but stop bringing race into this you people use it way to much had nothing to do with race the guy thought he was going to be robbed so he didoesn’t what most would he should not be held responsible
No one has the right to kill anyone no matter race or creed
No one has the right to steal either !! Do you know how the indigious are in the provinces in the west.? The RCMP take their lives in their hands going on the reservations many times . Maybe you should read up,on exactly what is happening .there!!!
No one is saying the police don’t take their lives in their hands when they go out on the streets. Do you know how the indigenous are in the Provinces out West???
Why not make a statement about the inherent dangers of being a police officer instead of isolating one minority group? You are the problem.
No doubt. People who are not living in this area have no idea what it is like & have no right to judge. The media feed you only what they are being paid to or black balled into reporting, so so much is left out. Of course you will view it the way they want you to, it is called propaganda.
Keep the country divided, good work!
Bravo.. the over used race card, played again! Our RCMP, including those with an Indigenous heritage, face “real” challenges dealing with these people. They feel they are law onto their selves. We, personally, have had issues with them over the past 65+ years. Some of them deliberately go looking for “trouble”. Some of which is stealing, destroying property, removing/changing road signs, standing on the middle of the road! Colden,s death was an accident, as per the trial. He endangered his own life as well as his companions. Unfortunately paid the ultimate price.
So, it’s okay with you that a death sentence is appropriate for someone who MAY have been in the process of committing a MISDEMEANOR? Next you’ll be advocating gunning down shoplifters and jaywalkers.
You are pretty presumptuous saying they were there to “STEAL”
One was trying to take an ATV. Sounds like stealing to me
Read the facts
I agree that no has the right to steal but to Kill Another Human is somehow justified? There should never have been a verdict of innocent because Stanley should have been put in jail for 2nd degree murder or at least manslaughter! RCMP put their lives in their hands going to the reservations many times? You’ve never been to a reserve in your life and your world view on Native People or Reserves has only been through a book or newspaper because you’re too cowardly to even establish a talk or visit a Native Reserve. Reserve life compared to most cities is the exact opposite because here we know each other and take care of each other. Your own world view is so damn small just like your mind!
No one has the right to steal, but if you do steal that does not negate your right to life. Otherwise that would be a rather messed up way of looking at the world.
Besides, there were no indications this young man was trying to steal anything. That he and his friends had a flat tyre is a perfectly plausible version of events.
More than anything, you are to be pitied. Maybe you should read some serious history about how things got so bad on reserves. About how an entire race of peoples had their entire social infrastructure totally destroyed by white colonialism leaving them with no social safety net by which to survive and pray like hell to your God that this should never happen to you.
i work on a reserve and I havent yet met an indian who doesnt play the race card every time they dont get their way. I hear it 10x a day from 10 different tribe members. They have lost all credibilty due to their own actions. That Bouchie kid got what he deserved, too bad the rest of his gang of career criminals didn’t catch a few bullets.
A young man deserves to die because you aren’t happy with your job. How stupid of you to make such a statement.
Bob, You certainly should not be working on a reserve. And just for your info, people who live on reserves are not Indians.
Your comments are disgusting!!!!! Why are you even working on a first nation if that is the way you think and talk????
Hey Dipshit this Ain’t India. So my people aren’t Indians. Sometimes its better to comment when facts are straight. Use your head for more than to keep your ears apart.
so where on what reserve do you work bob should be easy to answer because you are sooooo right
Bob, if you feel that way, why are you working on a reserve? Do yourself a favour and leave. People like you are a problem!
You are a disgusting disgrace to all human beings…how do you get up in the morning do you look at your racist behavior of exactly what you really are you need help man get it as soon as possible… Take a good hard long look at your self man see your racist mug shot in your mirror looking direct into your own agenda ….unbelievable !!!!
I would say time to change your job sir. This young man did not get what he deserved and neither did Mr. Stanley. I work with many First Nations people as well and never once have I heard a complaint from anyone. Never has a race card been played, but I have seen first hand some of the racism that exists in this country.
Perfectly reasonable.
There’s no reason for us to erode our criminal justice system in the name of political correctness
It’s not about being politically correct – it’s about being correct. Laws once allowed for husbands to beat their wives but not anymore. These types of changes are not eroding our justice system, they’re necessary corrections.
Criminal Injustice System*
This young man deserved due orocess, not a vigilante rouge cop!!
Of course not, they’ll investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong.
Thank you for the work you are doing.
This infuriates me beyond words
why do you refer to “a source said”?
is there a problem with naming the source?
are they saying something that they shouldn’t be saying?
The source is another cop on the page. You really think he wants to be outed as a snitch to his coworkers?
As a supposedly professional service provider the response from the RCMP of Canada is embarrassing. Just mentioning that receiving the race card and been tired of it is inherently racist. The loud minority of members, who are obviously steeped in generations of ignorance, should be held accountable to the silent majority for the damage they are doing to the RCMP. I can guarantee that these cowards will never see actions of backlash. Instead, it will most likely be the upstanding innocent members.
Really? Saying that you are tired of having the race card played is racist? I don’t agree with him saying “the kid got what he deserved” but absolutely the race card is played constantly and it gets really old and tiresome.
On reserve children get 30% less than Canadian children for pretty much all government services. I’m tired of asking why, and I’m tired of ignoramuses saying “race card’ every time we point out facts.
Fact #1: 12 white jurors.
Fact #2: Un-plausible that gun just fired itself.
Fact #3: This case was not about “protecting his property” because there is no criminal defense for shooting Colton, except it was an “accident”. How about you asshats follow your own laws and you won’t here us complain.
A young, unarmed man was shot in the head in cold blood by a man who claims his weapon ‘went off by itself’. This weapon was tested forensically and found to have no defect which could have caused it to fire by itself. An all white jury found the white man not-guilty in spite of this. If this is not racism, what is it exactly? If the victim were white and the perp was FNP, your ilk would be out with pitchforks and torches.
For people experiencing it daily and systematically, they don’t even have the luxury of it becoming “tiresome”.
let me guess, you’re white and never lived on a res?
White people walking all over us for so long doing whatever they want and getting away with it gets really old and tiresome
Hope that comment ends his career in law enforcement he shouldn’t be working in that field and esp on our First Nations.
I think he should be reassigned not fired educated not humiliated we need some restorative justice
Very well spoken and level headed. We need more of this thinking in Canada. Cheers.
yes
I hope he gets major consequences for it.
I’m not shocked and I highly doubt anyone else is we only known officers most not all talk about FNP like this on daily bases not only to our faces or in public why would them saying it on social media shock us ?
How come the guy couldn’t just knock him out or tie him up or even shoot him in the leg if he was protecting his land only, I don’t get why he had to shoot him in the head??
Dont think he meant to shoot him in the head.if you know anything about hand guns.it is very hard to hit a target at any kind of distance. As for four people coming on his property. Dont think he had much choice.
He had a choice!!
Four Jehovah Witnesses walked up my drive the other day and I did not execute any of them.
You clearly dont know a damn thing about firearms. Dont shoot someone in the leg unless you want them to suffer while they die. As for his firearm discharging, it was supposedly a hangfire, which isnt unreasonable for a 100 year old pistol and likely 50-80 year old surplus ammunition.
Where are you getting your information – a crackerjack box?
Neither the weapon nor the ammunition were as antiquated as you allege, and the folks who *are* experts in firearms [you know, ballistics experts] testified that, in their experience, hangfires are a statistical anomaly, and that, after having examined Stanley’s gun, they could not find anything wrong with it, nor could they replicate the sort of malfunction fabricated in Stanley’s testimony.
The Crown expert witness testified that an analysis of the gun showed that it was mechanically sound, and that hangfire is caused by a mechanical problem. The Defense tried and failed to cross examine the witness with a printout of a Reddit thread (judge did not allow).
Frankly, I would have thought it reasonable that Stanley had simply failed to point the barrel in the safest direction and had his finger in the trigger guard, and that this was an accident caused by the negligent use of a firearm in a stressful and emotionally charged situation. But the story that he took the care to disarm the weapon, but still reached into a car full of people with it still in his other hand
doesn’t pass the smell test to me; you take the trouble and time to remove the magazine, but you don’t lower the barrel before you reach into the car (which takes way less time and coordination!). Let alone the fact that the Crown expert says that hangfire is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible in this situation. This suggests to me that neither he nor his family were being truthful about what happened, and that their testimony is therefore no more reliable than that of the other witnesses.
I also have to ask: why would a jury disbelieve the opinion of a firearms expert in absence of any competing testimony from another expert, and why would they decide that reaching into a car full of people while holding a gun upright is not the reckless use of a firearm? If they thought that a stressful situation means that the defendant deserved clemency, why not leave that to the sentencing judge in our famously lenient criminal justice system?
Setting aside the racial politics at play here, how is it in the interest of responsible firearm owners to defend Stanley? Does rural Saskatchewan really operate under a different set of laws than the rest of Canada?
dude, I’ve been raised with guns, a lot of guns. don’t ever point one at someone’s head. Loaded of not, think it’s not loaded or whatever. DON’T POINT GUNS AT HEADS. duh
I do not agree with the ‘got what they deserved’ comment but can totally understand the frustration of somebody working in a system that they are trying to improve/police and when a decision is not like there is the ‘race’ card pulled
I just read this, if in fact is not a good sign for sure, why an member would even say such a thing is not correct, nobody deserves to die, having worked on a reserve in northern Manitoba for three years (RCMP) laughed cried enjoyed had my moments but never thought of that statement if true, sure it is no perfect life, I was lucky to open the detachment so with much help, members community, chief we succeeded for my time for sure but comments can change everything still recall the experience(all good)
All bad comes to the surface. I feel all RCMP have to take an extensive history course about aboriginal peoples of Canada, before they get to become RCMP and City police too.
Nobody deserves to be shot in the head for that. Give your hardened cop head a shake. To say that when you work on a reserve?? You give every compassionate RCMP member in Canada a bad name. Shame on you!
That’s how I feel too.
I cannot believe that so many think that the punishment for theft, or even suspected theft, for a Canadian citizen should be death, and the sentence carried out by other citizen.
How awful.
Whatever happened he was young the guy still didnt have to kill him simple as that
Supporters of Gerald Stanley continue to try to rationalize this murder by believing he was protecting his family and property. He was not acquitted because he was protecting his family and property. He was aquitted because he reached pretty far into the barrel and invented a story proclaiming it was an accident. That is how the judge should have charged the jury.
Gerald Stanley had no right to shoot Colten Boushie to protect his property and family
wow this kid was passed out had no idea what was gonig on and he got what he deserved
This makes me so mad! If it was the other way around, the native would probably get life in prison!
Ah now that is true. I feel like if he had killed a white person there is a strong possibility that the outcome would have been the same. But when you reverse it- native kills a white person. You are probably right.
When the rcmp was created so long ago during treaty times…they were assigned the task of policing European settlers from doing harm to Indians or aboriginals or first nation people…back then the only good Indian was a dead one…somewhere along the way the rcmp found it easier to incarcerate the Indians and have been doing so ever since…maybe when an officer wants to come onto our tribal lands that officer should be wearing the royal Canadian mounted police uniform….the mounty uniform….my people should ask for that from now on…that way respect from the uniform would work both ways…indians would respect the uniform and the officer in turn shows respect to those around with his personal presentations….
Just comply with the law. How simple is that?
Indians are from India. We are not. We are either First or Six Nation. This debate is not Rocket science. The same can be said about rcmp. They “helped” by putting us in residential schools. And yes there are some good ones. Very few and Very far between I have to Constantly fight the Immense Hated for all cops. Things would be different, if Racist cops were forced to leave. And Natives that want to party should try a little harder to Behave. When you’re native and party it makes us all look Bad. No offence but I’m personally Sick of it.
This article does not speak to truth, or for Canada. This cop is not being shocking in any way and his comments are not offensive and do not inflame racism. He tells the truth in a very clear way. The farmer stood trial and was found not guilty by virtue of his protecting his farm and his family’s safety, surely he has that right. This cop is on the front line and maybe he sees where justice lies, I for one believe him. Thousands of Canadians see this as justice being served .Break the law and the price may be heavy and not to your liking. By the way, what or who is this source that accuses the RCMP of bias, disdain and ignorance? Canadians trust the former more then your mysterious source. Just obey the law, and don’t use the race card for everything.
what happen to calling RCMP AND WAITING FOR THEM,
what would that do they take forever to show up
Rural residence such as farmers may have a police response time of 20-40min depending on location..
I live in the country and the police response time is 30min at best, this isn’t an urban area..
A lot can happen waiting for police.. Call and wait may not be an option.
Threat is imminate, help is up to hours away!
Where is the evidence that the young people who drove onto that farm threatened anybody? Yes, they were drunk, they admitted that. Yes, one jumped on a quad bike, looked into a gold truck that was parked on the farm. But when they realised the farmer, his son and wife saw them they tried to drive and then run away. The only possible justification for shooting anyone is if there is a serious threat to life, e.g., a person with a weapon is attacking you or your loved ones.
No one is entitled to shoot someone to protect their property. What crap.The defence did not argue that stupid argument because it is wrong, morally and in law. The defence was that the gun went off as an accident. Pretty hard to believe – which is the crux of the Canada-wide protest.
For an RCMP to say that accidentally shooting somebody is a correct response to trespass is a grave concern. And singling out First Nations people as people who deserve to be taught a lesson by this killing– by a suposed peace officer– well, that is hate speech.
So you support the concept of capital punishment administered, without benefit of charges, trial, or verdict, by any citizen who finds brown people on his property? Now we know.
The farmer was NOT found not guilty “by virtue of his protecting his farm and his family’s safety”. He claimed the gun fired by accident, so whether or not he was protecting anything was not considered as a point of law. The decision had nothing to do with “break the law and the price may be heavy.” It was whether the jury believed his claim that the gun fired accidently was enough to create reasonable doubt. It was very surprising that he was not found guilty of a firearms related offence, as many (especially Indigenous) people spend years In jail for firearms related accidents or incidents in which harm was negligible.or non-existent. For example, in a current case in Nunavut, a young man was suicidal and threatening to kill himself with a rifle. At no time did he threaten anyone else or was anyone else in danger. A friend tried to stop him and knocked the gun out of his hands, and it accidently went off. No one was injured. He is facing a mandatory minimum sentence of at least four years in prison for dangerous handling of a firearm. There are many of these types of cases every year.
No one has the right to kill anyone no matter race or creed
No one has the right to steal either !! Do you know how the indigious are in the provinces in the west.? The RCMP take their lives in their hands going on the reservations many times . Maybe you should read up,on exactly what is happening .there!!!
No one is saying the police don’t take their lives in their hands when they go out on the streets. Do you know how the indigenous are in the Provinces out West???
Why not make a statement about the inherent dangers of being a police officer instead of isolating one minority group? You are the problem.
No doubt. People who are not living in this area have no idea what it is like & have no right to judge. The media feed you only what they are being paid to or black balled into reporting, so so much is left out. Of course you will view it the way they want you to, it is called propaganda.
Keep the country divided, good work!
Bravo.. the over used race card, played again! Our RCMP, including those with an Indigenous heritage, face “real” challenges dealing with these people. They feel they are law onto their selves. We, personally, have had issues with them over the past 65+ years. Some of them deliberately go looking for “trouble”. Some of which is stealing, destroying property, removing/changing road signs, standing on the middle of the road! Colden,s death was an accident, as per the trial. He endangered his own life as well as his companions. Unfortunately paid the ultimate price.
So, it’s okay with you that a death sentence is appropriate for someone who MAY have been in the process of committing a MISDEMEANOR? Next you’ll be advocating gunning down shoplifters and jaywalkers.
You are pretty presumptuous saying they were there to “STEAL”
One was trying to take an ATV. Sounds like stealing to me
Read the facts
I agree that no has the right to steal but to Kill Another Human is somehow justified? There should never have been a verdict of innocent because Stanley should have been put in jail for 2nd degree murder or at least manslaughter! RCMP put their lives in their hands going to the reservations many times? You’ve never been to a reserve in your life and your world view on Native People or Reserves has only been through a book or newspaper because you’re too cowardly to even establish a talk or visit a Native Reserve. Reserve life compared to most cities is the exact opposite because here we know each other and take care of each other. Your own world view is so damn small just like your mind!
No one has the right to steal, but if you do steal that does not negate your right to life. Otherwise that would be a rather messed up way of looking at the world.
Besides, there were no indications this young man was trying to steal anything. That he and his friends had a flat tyre is a perfectly plausible version of events.
More than anything, you are to be pitied. Maybe you should read some serious history about how things got so bad on reserves. About how an entire race of peoples had their entire social infrastructure totally destroyed by white colonialism leaving them with no social safety net by which to survive and pray like hell to your God that this should never happen to you.
Perfectly reasonable.
There’s no reason for us to erode our criminal justice system in the name of political correctness
It’s not about being politically correct – it’s about being correct. Laws once allowed for husbands to beat their wives but not anymore. These types of changes are not eroding our justice system, they’re necessary corrections.
Criminal Injustice System*
This young man deserved due orocess, not a vigilante rouge cop!!
Of course not, they’ll investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong.
Thank you for the work you are doing.
This infuriates me beyond words
why do you refer to “a source said”?
is there a problem with naming the source?
are they saying something that they shouldn’t be saying?
The source is another cop on the page. You really think he wants to be outed as a snitch to his coworkers?
As a supposedly professional service provider the response from the RCMP of Canada is embarrassing. Just mentioning that receiving the race card and been tired of it is inherently racist. The loud minority of members, who are obviously steeped in generations of ignorance, should be held accountable to the silent majority for the damage they are doing to the RCMP. I can guarantee that these cowards will never see actions of backlash. Instead, it will most likely be the upstanding innocent members.
Really? Saying that you are tired of having the race card played is racist? I don’t agree with him saying “the kid got what he deserved” but absolutely the race card is played constantly and it gets really old and tiresome.
On reserve children get 30% less than Canadian children for pretty much all government services. I’m tired of asking why, and I’m tired of ignoramuses saying “race card’ every time we point out facts.
Fact #1: 12 white jurors.
Fact #2: Un-plausible that gun just fired itself.
Fact #3: This case was not about “protecting his property” because there is no criminal defense for shooting Colton, except it was an “accident”. How about you asshats follow your own laws and you won’t here us complain.
A young, unarmed man was shot in the head in cold blood by a man who claims his weapon ‘went off by itself’. This weapon was tested forensically and found to have no defect which could have caused it to fire by itself. An all white jury found the white man not-guilty in spite of this. If this is not racism, what is it exactly? If the victim were white and the perp was FNP, your ilk would be out with pitchforks and torches.
For people experiencing it daily and systematically, they don’t even have the luxury of it becoming “tiresome”.
let me guess, you’re white and never lived on a res?
White people walking all over us for so long doing whatever they want and getting away with it gets really old and tiresome
Hope that comment ends his career in law enforcement he shouldn’t be working in that field and esp on our First Nations.
I think he should be reassigned not fired educated not humiliated we need some restorative justice
Very well spoken and level headed. We need more of this thinking in Canada. Cheers.
yes
I hope he gets major consequences for it.
I’m not shocked and I highly doubt anyone else is we only known officers most not all talk about FNP like this on daily bases not only to our faces or in public why would them saying it on social media shock us ?
How come the guy couldn’t just knock him out or tie him up or even shoot him in the leg if he was protecting his land only, I don’t get why he had to shoot him in the head??
Dont think he meant to shoot him in the head.if you know anything about hand guns.it is very hard to hit a target at any kind of distance. As for four people coming on his property. Dont think he had much choice.
He had a choice!!
Four Jehovah Witnesses walked up my drive the other day and I did not execute any of them.
You clearly dont know a damn thing about firearms. Dont shoot someone in the leg unless you want them to suffer while they die. As for his firearm discharging, it was supposedly a hangfire, which isnt unreasonable for a 100 year old pistol and likely 50-80 year old surplus ammunition.
Where are you getting your information – a crackerjack box?
Neither the weapon nor the ammunition were as antiquated as you allege, and the folks who *are* experts in firearms [you know, ballistics experts] testified that, in their experience, hangfires are a statistical anomaly, and that, after having examined Stanley’s gun, they could not find anything wrong with it, nor could they replicate the sort of malfunction fabricated in Stanley’s testimony.
The Crown expert witness testified that an analysis of the gun showed that it was mechanically sound, and that hangfire is caused by a mechanical problem. The Defense tried and failed to cross examine the witness with a printout of a Reddit thread (judge did not allow).
Frankly, I would have thought it reasonable that Stanley had simply failed to point the barrel in the safest direction and had his finger in the trigger guard, and that this was an accident caused by the negligent use of a firearm in a stressful and emotionally charged situation. But the story that he took the care to disarm the weapon, but still reached into a car full of people with it still in his other hand
doesn’t pass the smell test to me; you take the trouble and time to remove the magazine, but you don’t lower the barrel before you reach into the car (which takes way less time and coordination!). Let alone the fact that the Crown expert says that hangfire is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible in this situation. This suggests to me that neither he nor his family were being truthful about what happened, and that their testimony is therefore no more reliable than that of the other witnesses.
I also have to ask: why would a jury disbelieve the opinion of a firearms expert in absence of any competing testimony from another expert, and why would they decide that reaching into a car full of people while holding a gun upright is not the reckless use of a firearm? If they thought that a stressful situation means that the defendant deserved clemency, why not leave that to the sentencing judge in our famously lenient criminal justice system?
Setting aside the racial politics at play here, how is it in the interest of responsible firearm owners to defend Stanley? Does rural Saskatchewan really operate under a different set of laws than the rest of Canada?
dude, I’ve been raised with guns, a lot of guns. don’t ever point one at someone’s head. Loaded of not, think it’s not loaded or whatever. DON’T POINT GUNS AT HEADS. duh